10-01-2017, 12:22 AM
(09-30-2017, 02:53 AM)Kleen Wrote: Thanks for that Scott, I guess for some reason I saw the recommendations not to do them on MR and though that it was also for load. With reading through the whole thread there was so much info that it is not surprising some of it my have been crossed during the massive info influx.
As far as typing it out that's okay. Sometimes, I will answer my own questions, or something occurs to me while trying to put the question together. So no problem there. I will probably do a little brain picking along the way for ways to focus this a bit more on strength but for the first few blasts I plan to follow along the way that the methods are laid out.
I think I know the answer to this already but wanted to ask. What are your thoughts on using a Snatch Grip High Pull from the hang in an MR. I am not sure if they would be considered a good option there due to possibly being too lower back intensive, and not sure if the the fact the negatives aren't really able to be emphasized may not make them the best choice for MR sets. I just found that nothing seems to make my YOKE respond like including Snatch Grip High pulls in a program. My shoulders, and upper back just respond extremely well to them. Just not sure if they are conducive to MR style lifts or if I should perhaps stick with Wide Grip Upright Rows which seem to agree with my forearms less after a bit.
I'd not be a fan of intentionally performing a power training moving (high pulls are about power development) when intentionally in a fatigued situation that come from doing a MR. There is injury risk here and of course a lack of eccentric loading, too, as you mention.
Plyometrics, power cleans, snatch variations, high pulls, etc. are movements that are focused on training the CNS, not the muscular system. You're not going to optimizing that training effect either when or rather if (as I'm not suggesting you do this) you practice those movements in a fatigued state. This would be like trying to get better at sprinting by doing sprints right after running a mile or trying to get better at throwing a fast ball by practicing right after doing a weight training circuit for the arms.
Velocitiy specificity of training dictates adaptations here: Studies have been done with, for instance, weighted bats (with the notion of creating a tensile overload) that actually find that loading up the baseball bat slows swing speed and alters mechanics which then results in slower bat speed when swinging a normal bat.
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