07-08-2021, 03:54 PM
Scott, thank you for taking the time to answer my question(s) in such great detail!
It is true, that the DC split has a 2-way and a 3-way while Fortitude has 3 volume tiers. Your example with chest is pretty different than the example with triceps.
If we take a look at the 2-way and cutting out the widowmakers, we can do a second chest exercise for triceps development like dips, cg smith presses or reverse grip smith presses. The volume for chest (without widowmaker) is now twice as much as before. For triceps it is trice as much a for your chest example (again: without widowmaker).
I see a very clear advantage in Fortitude on the grounds of more effective reps without that many failure points - very good construction in the program and point here Scott! The thing is, there a a lot less effective reps for muscle groups like triceps, biceps, forearms and maybe chest (depends on the exercise selection).
And sth different regarding the volume topic. Menno said sth to a study which compared the frequency of 5x vs 2x a week. The 5x a week group comes out worse than the 2x. He said it could be bc the volume on the days of the 5x a week group was way to low to get an anabolic response. Same goes for a low volume tier in Fortitude.
All the points aren't critique Scott, it's more like some sort anxiety bc I read so much different things about lifting (expecially for bodybuilding) and I changed programs way to often so I can't say what works for me now (as a more advanced guy - advanced in the powerlifts).
It is true, that the DC split has a 2-way and a 3-way while Fortitude has 3 volume tiers. Your example with chest is pretty different than the example with triceps.
If we take a look at the 2-way and cutting out the widowmakers, we can do a second chest exercise for triceps development like dips, cg smith presses or reverse grip smith presses. The volume for chest (without widowmaker) is now twice as much as before. For triceps it is trice as much a for your chest example (again: without widowmaker).
I see a very clear advantage in Fortitude on the grounds of more effective reps without that many failure points - very good construction in the program and point here Scott! The thing is, there a a lot less effective reps for muscle groups like triceps, biceps, forearms and maybe chest (depends on the exercise selection).
And sth different regarding the volume topic. Menno said sth to a study which compared the frequency of 5x vs 2x a week. The 5x a week group comes out worse than the 2x. He said it could be bc the volume on the days of the 5x a week group was way to low to get an anabolic response. Same goes for a low volume tier in Fortitude.
All the points aren't critique Scott, it's more like some sort anxiety bc I read so much different things about lifting (expecially for bodybuilding) and I changed programs way to often so I can't say what works for me now (as a more advanced guy - advanced in the powerlifts).