Isokinetics, Excentrics and Hypertrophy

[Stefan]

Those are very cool machines!!!

They updated software, but if remember correctly, they tagged these modes:

normal: dont remember

normal-adaptive : Hypertrophy

excentric-overloaded: Resilience

isokinetic:Max-Force

explosive: dont remember



and the standard-rotation was to to 6 workouts with increasing weights in one mode and then go the next.

OK, but below you also say: " Egym and cycled between excentric overloaded and isometric."  (See also your first post.)

yes, i only rotated between these two modes.

Please clarify if you would.  Do you mean here that in terms of DOMS, having to control the transition from eccentric to concentric is what you think is causing DOMS, mostly, during the regular training?...

My experience was that the excrentic-phase ist the main cause of doms, f.e. i did slow excentric PullUps and Dips in the past and they hit hard on doms. But after doing very heavy excentrics on these machines with getting not much doms...

- after unterstanding what is the main difference between normal lifting und egym i went into testing mode: all combinations around concentric/excentric/stretched position. This took a long time cause i wanted to flatten the repeated bout effect for good results.

When we put exercises to the side, which we have not done for some time, and also big volume and intensity jumps, i can at least for me say: the main reason for Doms is the part around the Stretched. Not only the excrentic, the concentric also.

I bet if i do triceps-kicksbacks tomororrow, after not doing them for years, multiple hard sets, i will get nearly zero doms. If i do only the kickbacks for a month and then do multiple hard sets skullcrushers: sore.

As far as carry over from the E-gym to normal training, I'm not surprised as specificity of training rules the roost here.

Yes, but specific-strength is not my goal, its hypertrophy, and

then i integrated standard lifting back: i tried to use machines/setups which where as close to the Egym-machines as possible.

In the end my test tells nearly nothing about hypertrophy gains, even if with before after dexa it would be difficult. It would have told me something if the normal lifting had also improved, but it didnt happen. So, experience of other lifters from a long term hypertrophy point would be really interesting.



At least i got the contiuous restistance adaption with a very heavy start out of the isokinetic-mode, trying to implement this in normal lifting. I have done lots of dropsets in my training-life, but to start very heavy (>=80% 1RM) and dont rack when dropping Weight (help from others) is a different animal. Heavy Lifting, all effetive Reps, a really good pump and a great muscle feeling all in one set, wow.

Stefan