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Attention! Paging the Doc - advices radio 28
01-11-2017, 06:51 AM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2017 06:53 AM by gazzamongo.)
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Paging the Doc - advices radio 28
General heads up.

Bad news for FT ... 23 minutes in , youtube numpty bostin lloyd reveals that the only person who has grown any decent size on FT is jordan peters :0

Sorry if that's pumped the brakes on anyone's gains Wink

https://www.advicesradio.com/track/episode-28

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01-11-2017, 09:07 PM
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..and apparently Jordan isn't even "that big of a guy," ummmm what?!

He wasn't too bad to listen to with the exception of that.


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01-12-2017, 12:25 AM
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I wonder if he meant height wise ? Ive just googled n found jp is 5ft 6" :0 .... This means hes actually square then Big Grin yeah i was suprised too. Apart from being dismissive of anything more complex than eat big lift big he wasn't 'quite' the knuckle dragger i was expecting

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01-12-2017, 12:46 AM
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While it seems that Bostin's approach has matured over the years, he's arguing from a poor standpoint.

I've not had a client who wasn't happy using FT. I'd like to know who he's talked to. (I imagine he's making this up.)

The evidence is here on this board, of course.

Paul Scarborough high profile / high level competitor in the UK who is in his 40's, was / is very happy with FT and returns to it.

Jordan's GF Corinne has grown quite well on FT.

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Of course he doesn't know the system and that heavy big ass weights (Loading sets) are a main component of it.

He notes Dallas McCarver, who is relatively young and growing with "big ass weights" (although he does seem to do other things with a guy here in Tampa known as "thehypertrophycoach" on IG). So, this somehow speaks against FT (which Bostin' doesn't understand.)

And of course Dave smith, recognizes that big ass weights are vital for size, can't stand as a good example of how FT works because he who "Just started FT." This is not true, as Dave's been doing it for over a year and favors it b/c it employs big ass weights.

(Dave is categorically different than Dallas b/c of age, as well. Dave DID get a large amount of his size the way Dallas has / is, and he's continuing to do so. I woudl guess that this aspect of age and longevity - coming from training for decades with heavy ass weight - isn't one on Bostin's radar....)

I could go on, but unfortunately, Bostin is a bit misinformed (but pretending to be as someone who has talked to my clients...) I can't be 100% certain he's not corresponded with my clients, but in lieu of talking to each one of them individually, I'm as certain as I can be that he's making that up (probably entirely.)

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03-01-2017, 03:55 AM
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You also have to remember that Bostin has this preconceived notion that with enough pharmaceuticals, one can turn into a freak. What he forgets when he talks about "wanting to be like the freaks" is the genetic disparity between them, and the rest of us. I firmly believe a lot of the top guys like Jay, and Ronnie would've blown past everybody regardless of their training style.

Charles Glass admitted that Paul Dillet (who was one of the biggest, and freakiest from the 90s) never really benched more than 225 when he trained chest, and did very light pump workouts with lots of talking in between. This guy's arms were absolutely monstrous.

Great genetic response to training, and supplements can often mask poor training, and diet. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the more disciplines we improve, the better we tend to get. You won't be doing this for 30+ years if you don't like training, and place an importance on it. Plus FT is really fun once you make your own little tweaks!!

Just ranting I guess...
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03-02-2017, 12:03 AM
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(03-01-2017 03:55 AM)thethinker48 Wrote:
 
You also have to remember that Bostin has this preconceived notion that with enough pharmaceuticals, one can turn into a freak. What he forgets when he talks about "wanting to be like the freaks" is the genetic disparity between them, and the rest of us. I firmly believe a lot of the top guys like Jay, and Ronnie would've blown past everybody regardless of their training style.

Charles Glass admitted that Paul Dillet (who was one of the biggest, and freakiest from the 90s) never really benched more than 225 when he trained chest, and did very light pump workouts with lots of talking in between. This guy's arms were absolutely monstrous.

Great genetic response to training, and supplements can often mask poor training, and diet. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the more disciplines we improve, the better we tend to get. You won't be doing this for 30+ years if you don't like training, and place an importance on it. Plus FT is really fun once you make your own little tweaks!!

Just ranting I guess...

I think Bostin is coming around as far as the importance of "gear" to some degree. The thing is, I suspect whatever he says is / will be partly motivated by business reasons, i.e., being controversial to bring attention to his online persona.

If he simply said, "I was wrong - training is much more important that what I thought," regardless of whether he actually believed it, that statement would get him a few dozen podcast interviews and millions of youtube views.

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04-04-2017, 12:07 PM
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(03-02-2017 12:03 AM)Scott Stevenson Wrote:
 
I think Bostin is coming around as far as the importance of "gear" to some degree. The thing is, I suspect whatever he says is / will be partly motivated by business reasons, i.e., being controversial to bring attention to his online persona.

If he simply said, "I was wrong - training is much more important that what I thought," regardless of whether he actually believed it, that statement would get him a few dozen podcast interviews and millions of youtube views.

-S


I do like how the it ended. The statement " I'll ask u about how u feel about it training in 10 years. When ur more experienced. Let's see if u find u need to do more than just the bread and butter exercises. Reps ect. Or if u will find u need to mix things up to keep progress moving. I feel this is a very true point. It's exactly what ft incorporates. A awesome mixture of all aspects that make the body respond.

More podcasts please Scott. This way I don't have to listen to any more like this one to pass my time. I love how u don't just throw things out there without have information to back it up.


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04-04-2017, 10:45 PM
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(04-04-2017 12:07 PM)Powerof2 Wrote:
 
I do like how the it ended. The statement " I'll ask u about how u feel about it training in 10 years. When ur more experienced. Let's see if u find u need to do more than just the bread and butter exercises. Reps ect. Or if u will find u need to mix things up to keep progress moving. I feel this is a very true point. It's exactly what ft incorporates. A awesome mixture of all aspects that make the body respond.

More podcasts please Scott. This way I don't have to listen to any more like this one to pass my time. I love how u don't just throw things out there without have information to back it up.


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Thanks, man.

Well, I need to update things on my page, as I've quite a few podcasts and we've got the Muscle Minds Podcast up and running pretty well now. (We just recorded the 7th of those yesterday - they come out every couple weeks.)

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04-05-2017, 06:31 AM
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(04-04-2017 10:45 PM)Scott Stevenson Wrote:
 
Thanks, man.

Well, I need to update things on my page, as I've quite a few podcasts and we've got the Muscle Minds Podcast up and running pretty well now. (We just recorded the 7th of those yesterday - they come out every couple weeks.)

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Sweet I went threw all 6 in a few day. I'll have to look at ur page. I haven't seen any of them


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05-04-2017, 12:33 PM
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I respected him for some of the things he was doing, but as we mature through body building I feel like we start to actually understand what's going on behind the scenes. First he advocated a massive amount of gear, then he switched over to talking about diet and coaches, now he's flaming everyone for their show pics. I see the marketing technique. He's mentioned that training isn't important, just do the work and be on with it. After deeply studying training, dieting, and gear it just doesn't add up. You have to push more weight to get bigger. That's how it is for me and my body. I've taken some of the FT methods and applied them in my regime and they get me to push through barriers and that leads to my growth. As for Bostin, I just can't believe anything he says anymore because there is no evidence he puts out there to support what he says. As an engineer, I just can't cope without that study that shows me the way anymore. And not to side track, but if he can't get himself some type of education - don't go on YouTube and start some type of lecture.


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