David Henry

[SideShowDoc]

Whats the highest amount of volume, frequency, etc. that you yourself, or any high end clients like Dave or Jordan have gotten? DO they typically stick to the tier III as the highest they go and do 4 days a week, or do they stray into their own new tiers not listed in the book?

[Scott Stevenson]

Whats the highest amount of volume, frequency, etc. that you yourself, or any high end clients like Dave or Jordan have gotten? DO they typically stick to the tier III as the highest they go and do 4 days a week, or do they stray into their own new tiers not listed in the book?

Tier III Turbo is the highest.

A guy who was roughly Jordan's level (Canadian Nationals class winner) could only recover from Tier I, because he trained REALLY hard. One of the fastest rates gain come with Tier I. (He posts here and might see this - an older bloke from the UK. )

The more advanced someone is, the harder they can often train, which means a lower volume Tier in many cases.

Why do you ask?...

-S

[SideShowDoc]

Curiosity. One tends to think that the more advanced someone gets, the more volume/frequency they would need, but that doesn't seem to be the case most of the time IRL (as you pointed out). I am on my first week of fortitude training utilizing tier I, and went in thinking "this is not a lot of volume", but I had such a sense of urgency to really crush the working sets, that I really milked them for all they were worth and got more out such "little volume" than I ever really have before. I could only imagine how draining the tier 3 (and made up levels above that which I alluded to being used by pros ) and turbo are.

Its the same with nutrition as well. YOu always imagine every single pro just packing away tons of food, but some of them eat relatively little compared to their size. In fact, I always assumed from daves interviews, that he isn't a huge eater, and eats a LOT of protein (Which could be just that, an ASSumption)

Edit : twoquestions while I have your attention. I understand the processs of utilizing several sets to warm up for the loading sets, and I assume this applies to the muscle round sets, but what about pumping sets? Also, Pump exercises are constantly rotated, but should the loading set exercises stay the same as long as you keep progressing on them, or do you recommend rotating those each week between several exercises (exercise A, B, C, rotated and used once each 3 weeks for example). I used to change exercises around too much, and it was definitely harder to actually gauge progression.

Tier III Turbo is the highest.

A guy who was roughly Jordan's level (Canadian Nationals class winner) could only recover from Tier I, because he trained REALLY hard. One of the fastest rates gain come with Tier I. (He posts here and might see this - an older bloke from the UK. )

The more advanced someone is, the harder they can often train, which means a lower volume Tier in many cases.

Why do you ask?...

-S

[LG1]

Nice shout out to you Scott from Dave Henry on Palumbo's live with interview.

[Scott Stevenson]

Curiosity. One tends to think that the more advanced someone gets, the more volume/frequency they would need, but that doesn't seem to be the case most of the time IRL (as you pointed out). I am on my first week of fortitude training utilizing tier I, and went in thinking "this is not a lot of volume", but I had such a sense of urgency to really crush the working sets, that I really milked them for all they were worth and got more out such "little volume" than I ever really have before. I could only imagine how draining the tier 3 (and made up levels above that which I alluded to being used by pros ) and turbo are.

I should come up with a "Pro Tier" and I imagine I'd triple sales of FT. "It's what 'All' the Pros are using!!!"

Dorian Yates is a prime example of getting stronger, training more intensely and recognizing that less is more.

Its the same with nutrition as well. YOu always imagine every single pro just packing away tons of food, but some of them eat relatively little compared to their size. In fact, I always assumed from daves interviews, that he isn't a huge eater, and eats a LOT of protein (Which could be just that, an ASSumption)

Well, Dave does eat a good deal of protein (he really likes meat, and grilling, etc.), but John Meadows is an example of someone who eats very little, which he's mentioned many times. He will tend to lose weight after a show simply by eating according to his appetite.

Edit : twoquestions while I have your attention. I understand the processs of utilizing several sets to warm up for the loading sets, and I assume this applies to the muscle round sets, but what about pumping sets? Also, Pump exercises are constantly rotated, but should the loading set exercises stay the same as long as you keep progressing on them, or do you recommend rotating those each week between several exercises (exercise A, B, C, rotated and used once each 3 weeks for example). I used to change exercises around too much, and it was definitely harder to actually gauge progression.

You'll want to check the Loading set descriptions in the book (p. 87) to see that yes, those follow and A, B, C rotation schedule.

Warm-up entirely depends on what you need to do to get warmed-up. It's really as simply as that. It could be treadmill walking, some light stretching, 3-4 sets, just 1 set to set up the machine and upload the movement pattern. It depends on you, your strength level, and where you are in your workout (preceding exercises, etc.). This one has been addressed a few times on here if you search for "warm-up" or "warmup."

I always warm-up, for every pump set b/c I need to ready the machine(s), ready my mind, prepare my nervous system, make sure there's no musculoskeletal issue with the movement that day and it gives me a chance to strut around, check myself out in the mirror and scan the room for chicks to be sure they are watching me when I get "Da Pump."



-S

Nice shout out to you Scott from Dave Henry on Palumbo's live with interview.

That was cool, eh?...

Palumbo gave him a golden opportunity to plug FT in the middle of the interview (almost like they'd planned it out), but he got me in there at the end.

-S

[SideShowDoc]

I should come up with a "Pro Tier" and I imagine I'd triple sales of FT. "It's what 'All' the Pros are using!!!"

Dorian Yates is a prime example of getting stronger, training more intensely and recognizing that less is more.


Well, Dave does eat a good deal of protein (he really likes meat, and grilling, etc.), but John Meadows is an example of someone who eats very little, which he's mentioned many times. He will tend to lose weight after a show simply by eating according to his appetite.


You'll want to check the Loading set descriptions in the book (p. 87) to see that yes, those follow and A, B, C rotation schedule.

Warm-up entirely depends on what you need to do to get warmed-up. It's really as simply as that. It could be treadmill walking, some light stretching, 3-4 sets, just 1 set to set up the machine and upload the movement pattern. It depends on you, your strength level, and where you are in your workout (preceding exercises, etc.). This one has been addressed a few times on here if you search for "warm-up" or "warmup."

I always warm-up, for every pump set b/c I need to ready the machine(s), ready my mind, prepare my nervous system, make sure there's no musculoskeletal issue with the movement that day and[b][b] it gives me a chance to strut around, check myself out in the mirror [/b][/b]and scan the room for chicks to be sure they are watching me when I get "Da Pump."



-S




That was cool, eh?...

Palumbo gave him a golden opportunity to plug FT in the middle of the interview (almost like they'd planned it out), but he got me in there at the end.

-S

I'd check myself out if I was you

[Scott Stevenson]

I'd check myself out if I was you

LOL - I was training in my kind of backup gym a couple days ago (Its very close to my house, very empty most days, but not my favorite spot, as the equipment is poorly maintained and the etiquette bizarrely bad.)

The gym has two rooms separated by a hallway where some cardio is set up.

I caught the only other guy in the gym doing some major posing / flexing in he mirror as i went from one room to the other. He was standing right where a couple of the machines were that I wanted to use, so as I came in, I was looking right in his direction and he must have spent about 10 seconds trying to concoct some sort of dancing-jiggly movement to make it look like he was just "keeping loose" between sets...

Poor guy was pretty embarrassed - I snuck up on him pretty good...

-S

[nick xynias]

Just started reading through this - this is awesome!!

Scott have you taken on any more IFBB pros or big names in bodybuilding since?!? I know John's new programs have shifted to a higher frequency approach - Please tell me this is because of your influence

[Scott Stevenson]

Just started reading through this - this is awesome!!

Scott have you taken on any more IFBB pros or big names in bodybuilding since?!? I know John's new programs have shifted to a higher frequency approach - Please tell me this is because of your influence

Well, I generally don't make it know who I'm working with, unless it's to congratulate them. (I have clients who come to me intentionally b/c they know the prep will be a quiet matter so to speak. I'm kind of old school in that way.)

I do think that I must have influenced John's thinking on those programs, as he and I have spend hours talking about training on the phone and he reads all my stuff / thoughts on things. (He once surprised me that he knew of something I'd written, saying that he pays closer attention than I though!)

But in no way did we formally collaborate on his programs - he does those on his own, given the ideas that are in his consciousness at the time. I have a had a few folks who do both FT and MD training ask me this - they know the actual MD programs in and out much better than I do, as I've not ever done a full fledged MD training program from start to finish - thinking that some of John's 2.0 stuff much be something I helped him with. (I suspect some of that could be confirmation bias. )

-S

[nick xynias]

Well, I generally don't make it know who I'm working with, unless it's to congratulate them. (I have clients who come to me intentionally b/c they know the prep will be a quiet matter so to speak. I'm kind of old school in that way.)

I do think that I must have influenced John's thinking on those programs, as he and I have spend hours talking about training on the phone and he reads all my stuff / thoughts on things. (He once surprised me that he knew of something I'd written, saying that he pays closer attention than I though!)

But in no way did we formally collaborate on his programs - he does those on his own, given the ideas that are in his consciousness at the time. I have a had a few folks who do both FT and MD training ask me this - they know the actual MD programs in and out much better than I do, as I've not ever done a full fledged MD training program from start to finish - thinking that some of John's 2.0 stuff much be something I helped him with. (I suspect some of that could be confirmation bias. )

-S

ahh yes completely understand - you don't want to be like one of those coaches at golds who blatantly shows off every new client.

how many top guys have come to you previously training a 'bro' split and once you put them on 4 days a week they're shocked at the amount of muscle they can build??

I think there is a lot more pros who train with FT only 4 days a week than what the media portrays - I definitely think the media and magazines have the whole thing wrong - they publicise 7 days training with 1 muscle group a day blah blah, and kind of 'shun' rest days, when really you've found the gold mine Scott - 4 days a week v hard, 3 days rest and that's truly how you grow!

I did do a higher frequency program from John - I must say it was v similar to fortitude training in terms of balancing volume/frequency but what I love about FT is smashing the WHOLE body at a higher frequency rather than just 1 body part in a 6 week block.

Any cool new additions to FT that your working on???